what is ur real language hazaragi or dari

[ajnabi]

our real language is dari but our lahja is hazaragi

[qadir nayel]

bazigar lalai.....ma qotagi niastom da quetta amda aminji khandom.magar as ''khak'' kho az zebon kho aztarikh kho monkir ni astom ......mo mazloom mande farsi wa dari balde az bain bordoni shinakht wa zeboni aazra qad aazragi gad dada shoda....az changaz khan pesh zeboni aazra khalis ''turki'' wa mangoli boda...changaz khan 12 sad sal kona tarikh dara wa aazra az zamani''koshania''2 sad sal qabl az masih tarikhi dara....changaz khan yag az qabile mangoia bod ki da bamyan dawrani jang qad aazra bache shi qoshta mosha.................mand tore ''dari' ki e zebo da dawri awali zahir sha da afghanistan marifi mosha..azo pesh da kabul ya dega manatiqi afghanistan ''farsi' gofta moshood..ki farsi da dari az khatiri masayili siyasi badal shood....tore mohim e asta ki farsi . dari. tajiki.arse shi 1 loghat dara....wa aazragi loghat shi joda asta ki 'sha ali akber sharistani' . tariq malistani' wa diga nimishta gara nimishta kada ..ki da disti azmo asta....wa mardoom khabar nadra....mene tv kabul barname aazragi da zoor band shood kas khosh nadra ki aazra khonde zebon kho shona.......wa mo khodgon mo az zebon kho tabala ''malal'' dare.....ki e malali azmo door shodon shi 20ya30 sal da kar dara......khuda mora oosh ooshdam bidya.......

[qadir nayel]

salam qaumai gul....da meni azi ad shak ni asta ki aazragi yag joda zebo asta.....mo da quetta az 6 saal da bale zeboni aazragi kar kada rai aste.,,dari,, qad tajiki lehje farsi asta ki ar se shi yag ,,loghat,, dara. wa aazragi az kho joda ,,loghat,, dara ki,,sha ali akbar sharistani.essa orozgani.tariq malistani. sha wali shafai nimishta kada ki da gir maya. aazragi lehje farsi ya dari azi khatir ni asta ki aazra naslan ,,toork o moghool,, asta ,,fars,, ni asta..........,,dari,, da aoghanistan az daori zahir sha riwaj shood azo pesh ei zebo farsi gofta moshood .zahir sha az khatiri riqabat qad iran nami farsi ra badal kada dari esht ki zeboni tajika asta az aazra na...........poormosht nakin ki da pakistan australia wa chandin molkai dunya aazragi da rasmiat shinakhta shooda....bainolmillal am aazragi ra juda hasiat dada....aazragi az liazi zebo shinasi da mene khandani ,,yoral ul tai,,asta ki da azi khandan ,toorki, kargazi,turkmani wa diga zebbna asta....dari qad farsi khandan shi juda asta ......da mene zeboni aazragi laozai toork o moogholi nisho midya ki zeboni aazra yag jooda zebo boda asta.......tora ghadar asta ,mojale ,,munji,,az quetta da zeboni aazragi chap mosha wa kitabi shairi az khod ma da zeboni aazragi da chaboki gir shoom khad amad.....tora ei asta ki mo az khood kho door shooda rai aste da aazragi ghofto malal mo maya...wa da dooli digro masti. bal zeboni degro iftikhar moni...........ki baid sangish shona ..aga na am zebon mo am khodgon mo khorosht khad shodi..........................

[ajnabi]

salam qadi nayel
tnx for replaying at topic
well zabani dari yak zabani asta ke hazaran sal qidamat dara
am zabani ke shoma mogen zaban hazaragi
taza jor mosha.chara mo zobani kee hazaran sal qidamat dara ra ella kada lahaje hazaragi ra zaban jor konam
zaban az khud gramar mikhaya wa ham chonan loghat hazaragi risha az dari dara
tashakor

[qadir nayel]

bazigar lalai...o raqam ni asta yag misal midom.....shaheed yusufi..3 hazar zarbulmasali aazragi ra da 6 sal jam kada wa e zarbulmasala ra da farsi urdu wa english tarjoma kada....da mene 3 hazar zarbulmasalai aazragi hazarha sala tarikhi aazra farhang raqam roqomi zindagi aazra asta....zeboni aazra taza jor namosha yi am qadamat dara....magar mo da ehsasi kamtari giriftar aste...aazragi am loghat am gramer dara...ki da e zebo ar kar mosha agar mo haqiqat pasand shoni.....

[Madina Parmach - Nooristani]

Salam Dear Brothers

This is interesting - when we separate things and distinguish - when many do it then it becomes a rule and by time gets accepted.

an accent or a language -

I worked more than a decade as interpreter and many of my hazara clients anwered hazaragi - so i wrote Language: Hazaragi. I did it the past 14 years - so today in danish government they have accepted and registered Hazaragi as a language and dari as a language.

I might have done a mistake - but when people wish to have it registered as language - so be it. My clients were happy and they prefered when someone spoke the language with its own beauty and accents & choice of terms.

We afghans do not inform enough about our own cultural heritage & our past history - so its interesting if someone here - write more on the topic of where dari come from.
I heard that it was mentioned that dari comes from Zari - as the golden language. Because it is a sweet and nice language. Many great poets wrote in this lang.
I also heard that Dari comes from Dara - as people resided in valleys - dara ha so its called dari - as the language spoken in the valley.

Many also suggest that we call this dari-farsi and not dari... its outside the subject.

Kindest Regards to all!

[مسا فر]

Hi, When I read your comments , I was very interested and really enjoyed What you have mentioned here. Dari is the persian Dialects and in the past During the Persian impirer people used to speak in courts ( Darbar). They were using difficult words and their senteces were grammertically correct. Later on During the time when Iran was under controle of England. In that time Iran was very powerful. Therefore , The King of Afghanistan Nadir Shah said that , persian (farsi) is the language of Iran. Afghanistan has to change persian to Dari. The Hazara nation did not accept it and it was not proved in parliment . Nadir Shah forcefully changed persain to Dari. It is an iligal language . The language of Hazaras are Persian(farsi) and their local language is Hazaragi.
thanks
best wishes to all.

[Saheb Agha]

I am sorry, I pushed the wrong button. I had written a preface, but I deleted it! Sorry Madina jan!
Anywary, I was going to say: Hazaragi is a living language, spoken by millions of people. It has some fundamental common bonds with Dari, of course. In this hasty response, I don't want to bring in the dry academic argument whether it is a proper language (lingua franca) or a dialect. I will leave this tedious analysis for pedantic people. Dari, as a political term, came into use in the 1960's, at the hight of Afghan nationalism. The USSR, then, had a tricky policy for its own nationalities. They called the same language, Tajiki, in trans-Oxus areas (Tajikistan). The idea was to apply a new artificial name which might enable to cut off the language from its historical heritage and culture. They probably dictated the same notion to the Pashtun-led government of the time. They called the second official language of the country, Dari (not Farsi, otherwise it will be intermixed with Iran). Dari as a term, does not have, in my view, any connection with zar (gold) or darra (valley). During the Hakhamanshi rule, the basic monetary unit or coin was called Daric. Daaraa means king in old Farsi. I suppose you have heard the name Daaraa Singh, a giant actor in Indian cinema. Daaraa Singh literally means "Lion King". Hafiz has mentioned this word as a language denomination:"tou qadr-i oo ba sukhan gunftan-i Dari bishkan". It was an arachaic literary term in connection with Farsi or at least the language spoken in Easter Khouran (cis-Oxus territories) after the coming of Islam and mixture of Arabic world there. Afghanistan as the political term was applied to the whole of the country in a treaty signed between East India Company, Anglo-India, and the Qajari kingdom of Iran in c. 1800. So, it has no authentic longer roots in history. What is the difference between the Iranian Farsi and Afghanistan Farsi? There are some accent-based and lexical differences; but a literate person in Kabul, Doushanbe or Tehran can fluently read the Persian classic sources, books, and fluently understands almost the same. Now, in respecto of Hazaragi. It is a Persian/Dari dialect intermixed with 10 or 12 percent Turko-Mongolian words. It is like the Vulgate Latin, not refined and developed. But it does not matter. There is no superior or inferior lanugage in the world. The idea that the Arabic language is the best language is based on superficial fallacy. For me Hazaragi is more important than Arabic. Perhaps Arabic is good, better, best, or whatever, for the Arabs only.
I thank you very much for getting acknowledged the status of Hazaragi as an independent language of people in a formal way in Denmark. It is certainly different from Dari, because a person who has continuously lived in Kabul and has NOT been in contact with the native Hazaragi speakers cannot understand the Hazaragi. That gentleman or gentlewoman definitely is well-versed in the so-called Dari; but fails to decode and understand Hazaragi, unless the Hazara speaker makes a concession in the form of attempting and mimicking the Kaubli way of speech. So, the difference is there. The Kabuli speaker cannot copewith
the Turko-Mongolican contents of Hazaragi andits phonological twists at all.
I have a great love for the Nooristani people. They were attacked in the winters of 1894 or 1895 by Amir Abdur Rahman, the Pashtun tyrant, killed and converted into Islam by force. It was just after the genocide of Hazara people in 1893 in Orazgan. The majority of Nooristanis, Pashayees, etc. have lost their mother tongue in cities. Let us hope for a better world where we are capable of keeping our culture, native identity and above all our own language. Thank you very much. Saheb

[karbalai-zawaar]

Thanks a lot for the nice explanation in depth.

I was reading about the language of White hunns, Zartasht, Koshanis etc. I thought dari comes from them.

Whatever, to me this language or dialect would remain the best.

[Habib Paiman]

Salam Hayat jan.

The answer you have added for your question is correct and also enough for your topic!

I am agreeing with you.

Best of wishes!

[ajnabi]

tnx alot habib khan
and tnx for all brothers who joined this discusion
at the end after reading u r comments

i can say that
hazaragi is not a lanuage it is a lahja

[qadir nayel]

salam qaumai gul....da meni azi ad shak ni asta ki aazragi yag joda zebo asta.....mo da quetta az 6 saal da bale zeboni aazragi kar kada rai aste.,,dari,, qad tajiki lehje farsi asta ki ar se shi yag ,,loghat,, dara. wa aazragi az kho joda ,,loghat,, dara ki,,sha ali akbar sharistani.essa orozgani.tariq malistani. sha wali shafai nimishta kada ki da gir maya. aazragi lehje farsi ya dari azi khatir ni asta ki aazra naslan ,,toork o moghool,, asta ,,fars,, ni asta..........,,dari,, da aoghanistan az daori zahir sha riwaj shood azo pesh ei zebo farsi gofta moshood .zahir sha az khatiri riqabat qad iran nami farsi ra badal kada dari esht ki zeboni tajika asta az aazra na...........poormosht nakin ki da pakistan australia wa chandin molkai dunya aazragi da rasmiat shinakhta shooda....bainolmillal am aazragi ra juda hasiat dada....aazragi az liazi zebo shinasi da mene khandani ,,yoral ul tai,,asta ki da azi khandan ,toorki, kargazi,turkmani wa diga zebbna asta....dari qad farsi khandan shi juda asta ......da mene zeboni aazragi laozai toork o moogholi nisho midya ki zeboni aazra yag jooda zebo boda asta.......tora ghadar asta ,mojale ,,munji,,az quetta da zeboni aazragi chap mosha wa kitabi shairi az khod ma da zeboni aazragi da chaboki gir shoom khad amad.....tora ei asta ki mo az khood kho door shooda rai aste da aazragi ghofto malal mo maya...wa da dooli digro masti. bal zeboni degro iftikhar moni...........ki baid sangish shona ..aga na am zebon mo am khodgon mo khorosht khad shodi..........................

[qadir nayel]

salam rafiq. az kool pesh balde shoom gofta shona ki ma tora az azaristan mogom na az quetta ra.....,,aazragi academy ,,az liazi ziboshinasi da bale aazragi kar kada rai asta..wa motabiqi zeboshinasi bain ul milali mo az liazi ,tarikh, az liazi ,awaz,mani, sakht,az aar liaz aazragi ra yag joda zebo sabit metni..da mokhtalif manatiqi azaristan mokhtalif lehjai aazragi gofta mosha ami raqam da quetta am.az khatiri ki har 10 kilomiter baad lehja farq mona..aazragi khod shi lehja ni asta balki yag zebo asta ki azkhod kho ghadar lehja dara..magar mo yag chand kitabi farsi ya dari ra ki khandi khod kho qad zebon kho pormosht moni......